Globalista

Terms & Conditions

Terms and Conditions
These Terms and Conditions apply when you access our website to use Intelligence Shared Limited, trading as Globalista (“Globalista”) services. Before using our services, you should read the Terms and Conditions carefully. If you are unable to agree to them, then you must not use our website. If, however, you agree to them unconditionally you will be given the opportunity to click the “I accept” checkbox during the registration process, and you will then be able to use our website to which these Terms and Conditions apply.
Globalista may amend these Terms and Conditions at any time by posting the amended Terms and Conditions on our website (“the Site”). Except as stated below, all amended Terms and Conditions shall be automatically effective after they are posted on the Site.
1. General Information
1.1 For your information we list below the address details of Globalista:
Registered Office:
5 Hillgate Street, London, W8 7SP
Registered Company no:
06308248
E-Mail:
Please click “Contact us” on the Site
2. Membership Eligibility
Our services are available only to individuals who have the capacity to form legally binding contracts under the law applicable to these Terms and Conditions. Without limiting the foregoing, our services are not available to minors (under 18 years of age). If you do not qualify, you are not permitted to use our services and no contract will be formed between you and Globalista. Further, our services are not available to temporarily or indefinitely suspended Globalista members.
3. Formation of Contract
3.1 For a legally binding contract to be formed between Globalista and a member eligible under clause 2 above, the member is required to accept these Terms and Conditions unconditionally by clicking the ‘I accept’ checkbox during the registration process.
3.2 Globalista in their absolute discretion reserves the right to refuse, suspend or cancel membership of any member at any time.
3.3 These Terms and Conditions shall override any contrary terms or conditions published by Globalista or appearing on this web site pertaining to members.
3.4 In consideration of Globalista agreeing to the member’s use of the Site and its Services (as defined in clause 9.1 below), the member agrees to comply with these Terms and Conditions.
4. Fees and Services
4.1 Details of Globalista’s services are set out in full on the Site (“Services”) and will be undertaken by Globalista on acceptance by Globalista of your order to purchase individual Services or to subscribe to several Services and payment in full of the Membership fees for such relevant Services as correspondingly set out on the Site (“Fees”). Each separate order for Services shall form and be treated as a separate legal contract between you and Globalista for provision of the relevant Services, subject to these Terms and Conditions.
4.2 Globalista reserves the right to change its fee policy and the Fees charged for Services from time to time, with such changes becoming effective immediately upon posting notice of the changes on the Site. Unless otherwise stated, all fees are quoted in UK Sterling. You are responsible for paying all fees associated with using the Services and the Site and all applicable taxes.
4.3 You agree to pay to Globalista the Fees for the Services you purchase from Globalista, subject to the terms of this Agreement. All Fees shall be payable by you in full in advance and are non-refundable, subject to clause 5 below (Cancellation and Refunds Policy).
4.4 Any Services with the validity period of 365 days are considered memberships (“Memberships”). All Memberships purchased by credit card carry an automatic renewal agreement. You will be notified 14 days in advance of automatic renewal. You can cancel a Membership automatic renewal at any point during its validity. The credit card used to purchase the Membership will be charged the full and current Fee on the day of renewal. This will constitute a separate order for Services and shall be treated as a separate legal contract between you and Globalista for provision of the relevant Services, subject to these Terms and Conditions. The Cancellation and Refund Policy applies.
4.5 Globalista accepts no responsibility for taxes etc on transactions effected as a direct or indirect result of the use of the Site. However, for persons based in the EU (including the UK), if you are a business, you may have to remit VAT on our services to you (under ‘reverse charging’).
4.6 The Services shall be made reasonably available to you, subject to these Terms and Conditions and subject to technical errors and downtime which may be associated with the Internet and the Site. You acknowledge and accept that Globalista has no control over the Internet which is a global decentralised network of computer systems. Access to the Site and Services shall not, therefore, be error free or uninterrupted and may be disrupted and very variable.
4.7 The Site is maintained in partnership with Globalista’s hosting service providers. Every effort is made to ensure the continuity of the Site and Services, but some occasional technical downtime beyond our control and/or the control of our hosting service provider may occur. You acknowledge and accept that such downtime may prevent the Site being viewed and may restrict access to your Membership account or the ability to access the Services from time to time.
4.8 You acknowledge and accept that the disclaimers and limitation of liability relating to the Site and Services set out in clause 17 will apply.
4.9 In the event that any individual component of the Services is disputed then the parties shall endeavour in good faith to reach agreement in relation to the disputed Services. In the event that such dispute cannot be resolved, the matter shall be referred for resolution to an independent expert as appointed on application by either party by the Chartered Institute of Arbitrators in the United Kingdom. The parties agree to be bound by the decision made by such independent expert.
5. Cancellation and Fees Refunds Policy
5.1 If you are acting as a consumer, under the Consumer Protection (Distance Selling) Regulations 2000, you have a statutory right to cancel any distance contract within 7 days of the date of purchase as long as you have not yet accessed the relevant services. Accordingly, if you are acting as a consumer you may cancel any Membership to/purchase of Services during the period up until the relevant Services are delivered (which shall for this purpose be defined as access by you to more than 1 report on the Site) or the end of 7 days from the date of purchase, whichever is shorter (“Consumer Cancellation Period”). If you are acting as a consumer and validly cancel any contract for Services within the Consumer Cancellation Period Globalista shall refund to you the Fees paid for the relevant Services. If you are acting as a consumer and cancel any contract for Services outside the Consumer Cancellation Period, the Fees paid by you for the relevant Services shall be non-refundable.
5.2 If you are not acting as a consumer (i.e. using the Services in the course of your business), the Consumer Protection (Distance Selling) Regulations 2000 shall not apply. Accordingly, if you are not acting as a consumer Globalista’s cancellation policy is as follows: you may cancel any Membership to/purchase of Services during the period up until the relevant Services are delivered (which shall for this purpose be defined as access by you to more than 1 report on the Site) or the end of 3 days from the date of purchase, whichever is shorter (“Business Cancellation Period”). If you are not acting as a consumer and validly cancel any contract for Services within the Business Cancellation Period Globalista shall refund to you the Fees paid for the relevant Services. If you are not acting as a consumer and you cancel any contract for Services outside the Business Cancellation Period, the Fees paid by you for the relevant Services shall be non-refundable.
6. Third Party Advertising and Links to Third Party Websites
6.1 There may be third party advertising posted on the Site from time to time which may contain links to third party web sites, frames and portals (“Third Party Sites”). You acknowledge and accept that Globalista does not exercise any review or editorial control over the content of such third party advertising whatsoever.
6.2 Accordingly, all Globalista’s liability or responsibility for the content of such third party advertising on the Site and any damage it may cause is hereby disclaimed and excluded to the maximum extent permitted by law.
6.3 Furthermore, Globalista has not reviewed the content of Third Party Sites. Globalista is not responsible for the content or availability of these Third Party Sites. If you decide to use any link to a Third Party Site you leave the Site and you do so at your own risk. It is your sole responsibility to take all protective measures to guard against viruses or other destructive elements which may exist on those Third Party Sites.
6.4 Links to Third Party Sites in the third party advertising or otherwise on the Site does not imply that:
Globalista endorses the content of such Third Party Sites;
Globalista is affiliated or associated with the owners of such Third Party Sites;
Globalista is legally authorised to use any trade mark, trade name, logo or copyright symbol displayed in or accessible through the Third Party Sites; or any linked Third Party Site is authorised to use any trade mark, trade name logo or copyright of Globalista.
7. The Site
7.1 Globalista reserves the right to change the content, presentation, performance, user facilities and availability of any part of the Site at its sole discretion and without notice. It is the member’s responsibility to refer to and update itself in relation to any changes made. Any such changes will become effective upon posting by Globalista.
7.2 Globalista does not warrant any continuity of connection, transmission over security or results from the use of any network connection or facilities provided or omitted to be provided in connection with the use of the Site.
7.3 Where Globalista provides hyperlinks to a third party’s website, Globalista shall not take any responsibility for nor does it make any warranties, representations or undertakings about the content of any other web-site which may be referred to or accessed by the hyperlink and Globalista does not endorse or approve the content of such third parties websites.
7.4 Globalista makes no warranty as to the continuous availability of the Site, but shall use reasonable endeavours to keep down time to a minimum.
8. A Venue
8.1 As well as being an online luxury travel advisory website, selling destination reportsthat recommend hotels, restaurants and things to do in worldwide destinations, the Site acts as a venue for online members to share information and opinions (“the Services”) including but not limited to posting information on the Site via forums and blogs (see clause 11 below). Globalista have no control over the quality, safety, truth, accuracy or legality of any statements posted, nor does Globalista have any ability whatsoever to warrant or guarantee the integrity of the providers of such statements.
8.2 Identification and Authentication of each member of the Site is difficult, and so Globalista cannot and does not confirm each member’s purported identity.
8.3 In the event that there is a dispute or issue with one or more of the other members, Globalista (and our officers, directors, agents, subsidiaries and employees) shall not be liable for any claims, demands and damages (actual and consequential) of any kind and nature, known and unknown, suspected and unsuspected, disclosed and undisclosed, arising out of or in any way connected with such disputes.
8.4 Globalista is designed to help members obtain online information. This information is sometimes provided by our members, many of whom use anonymous User IDs and are people we may have never met. Whilst the quality of material submitted to our Site is generally high, Globalista does not control the information provided by members, and you may find other member’s information to be offensive, harmful, inaccurate, or deceptive. Please use caution and common sense when using our Site.
8.5 The opinions expressed on this Site are those of the contributing individuals. If you act on anything that is said or done you must do so on the basis of a considered decision of your own, having weighed up the pros, cons and risks thereby fully accepting the responsibility for the success or failure of your actions. Under no circumstances shall Globalista be liable for any damages resulting from your use of information, commentary, advice or other content on the Site. You agree to indemnify Globalista against any actions, claims, proceedings, or liabilities arising from your use of the content of the Site.
9. Your Information
9.1 “Your Information” is defined as any information you provide to Globalista or other users during registration, in any public message area, through feedback or any e-mail or form features.
9.2 Your Information and conduct (or any items listed therein) shall not:
Be false, inaccurate or misleading;
Be fraudulent or involve the sale of counterfeit or stolen items;
Infringe any third party’s copyright, patent, trade mark, trade secret or other proprietary rights or rights of publicity or privacy;
Violate any law, statute, ordinance or regulation (including without limitation those governing export control, consumer protection, unfair competition, anti-discrimination or false advertising);
Be defamatory, trade libellous, unlawfully threatening or unlawfully harassing;
Be obscene, blasphemous, contain any pornography including without limitation child pornography or other legally resricted material;
Contain any viruses, Trojan horses, worms, time bombs, cancelbots or other computer programming routines that are intended to damage, detrimentally interfere with, surreptitiously intercept or expropriate any system, data or personal information;
Create liability for us or cause us to lose (in whole or in part) the services of our ISPs or other suppliers;
Impersonate any person or entity, or falsely state or otherwise misrepresent your affiliation with anyone or anything; or
Post or transmit chain letters, pyramid schemes, advertising, promotional materials, or other solicitation except as where explicitly requested by another user.
9.3 To enable Globalista to use Your Information supplied, such that we are not violating any rights you might have in that information, you agree to grant Globalista a non-exclusive, worldwide, perpetual, irrevocable, royalty-free licence and the right to sub-license (through multiple tiers) to use the copyright, publicity and other intellectual property rights you have in Your Information, in any media now known or not currently known. Globalista will only use Your Information in accordance with the Privacy Policy on the Site as amended from time to time.
9.4 You are responsible for all statements made and acts that occur through the use of your membership and password. Please don’t disclose your password to anyone. If your password has been stolen, you must let us know. Globalista may at any time, and at its sole discretion, terminate your membership without prior notice to you for violating the above provisions.
9.5 While Globalista cannot review all transmissions by members in the forum, we reserve the right to, and may from time to time, monitor any information transmitted or received through our service. Globalista, at our sole discretion and without further notice to you, may review, remove, or otherwise block any information (including posts to message boards, forums and blogs) that we deem inappropriate or that violates any of this agreement.
10. Blogs Service
10.1 “Blogs” are essentially web pages containing information posted by the relevant creator of such web pages. Blogs are managed and edited by certain editors on the Site who are either freelance or guest editors of the blogs on the Site (“Independent Editors”) and as such Independent Editors are not representatives of Globalista or its views.
10.2 Globalista does not control or edit any of the information or views set out by Independent Editors on any blog on the Site and accordingly Globalista does not warrant or guarantee the validity, accuracy or reliability for such information or views expressed by Independent Editors on the Site. Globalista does not endorse or advocate any of the information or views set out on any blog on the Site which are the views of the Independent Editors and not of Globalista.
10.3 Globalista provides an automatic procedure on the Site whereby members can submit a press release or story to the Independent Editors for posting to a blog on the Site. Furthermore, Globalista provides no warranty or guarantee whatsoever to any third party that any such information or accompanying images used by an Independent Editor on a blog on the Site are legitimately cleared for publication.
10.4 Globalista carries out no review nor does it exercise any editorial control over any blogs posted on the Site. Globalista does not vet or otherwise filter any submissions made to Independent Editors for inclusion in blogs on the Site. However, if an Independent Editor uses any story, press release or other material submitted by you for inclusion in a blog, Globalista reserves the right to delete it from the Site at Globalista’s sole discretion and Globalista may refuse to publish any blog for any reason. Accordingly all Globalista’s liability or responsibility for the content of blogs on the Site and any damage it may cause is hereby disclaimed and excluded to the maximum extent permitted by law subject that Globalista’s maximum liability for such material shall be strictly limited to removing any material which is reasonably notified in writing to Globalista as infringing the rights of others or otherwise illegal.
10.5 You acknowledge the risk of intellectual property rights infringement and breach of confidentiality relating to any material you submit to the Independent Editors through the Site for inclusion in a blog on the Site, You, therefore, warrant and represent that you own all intellectual property rights in such material and that such material shall not:
Reproduce images or text copied in whole or in part from other sources;
Be confidential information owned by a third party;
Be false, fraudulent, inaccurate or misleading;
Infringe any third party’s copyright, patent, trade mark, trade secret or other proprietary rights or rights of publicity or privacy;
Be defamatory, libellous, unlawfully threatening or unlawfully harassing;
Be obscene, blasphemous, contain any pornography including without limitation child pornography or other legally resricted material;
Contain any viruses, Trojan horses, worms, time bombs, cancelbots or other computer programming routines that are intended to damage, detrimentally interfere with, surreptitiously intercept or expropriate any system, data or personal information;
Create liability for us or cause us to lose (in whole or in part) the services of our ISPs or other suppliers;
impersonate any person or entity, or falsely state or otherwise misrepresent your affiliation with anyone or anything.
10.6 You shall fully indemnify Globalista for any claims or damage (including legal costs) for any of the warranties set out in clause 10.5.
10.7 To enable Globalista to permit (un-reviewed) publication of the blogs of the Independent Editors on the Site, such that we are not violating any rights you have in that information or material, you agree to grant Globalista a non-exclusive, worldwide, perpetual, irrevocable, royalty-free licence to use the copyright, publicity and other intellectual property rights you have in such information and material solely for the purpose of permitting its (un-reviewed) publication in blogs on the Site.
10.8 If Globalista becomes aware that any material displayed on a blog on the Site is or may be in breach or probably breach any of the terms and conditions set out above it shall have the right to delete it in accordance with clause 10.4 above. Accordingly, we welcome any reports to Globalista of any material on a blog you believe may breach the above terms and conditions.
11. Access and Interference
11.1 You agree that you will not use any robot, spider, other automatic device, or manual process to monitor or copy our web pages or the content contained herein without the prior written consent of Globalista.
11.2 You agree that you will not use any device, software or routine to interfere or attempt to interfere with the proper working of the Site.
11.3 You agree that you will not take any action that imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the Site’s infrastructure.
11.4 Much of the information on the Site is updated on a real time basis and is proprietary or is licensed to Globalista by our users or third parties. You agree that you will not copy, reproduce, alter, modify, create derivative works, or publicly display any content (except for Your Information) from the Site without the prior written consent of Globalista or the appropriate third party, with the exception of downloading or printing a single copy for yourself for offline viewing.
12. Breach
12.1 Without limiting other remedies, Globalista may immediately issue a warning, temporarily suspend, indefinitely suspend or terminate your membership and refuse to provide the Services to you if:
You breach this Agreement or the documents it incorporates by reference (including but not limited to our Privacy Policy);
Globalista are unable to verify or authenticate any information you provide to us; and
Globalista believe that your actions may cause legal liability for you, our members or us.
13. Privacy
13.1 By registering, you are agreeing that other members may make statements about your views or opinions which you regard as untrue. In any such case, if you contact Globalista, giving full details, Globalista will conduct a brief investigation and may remove the offending statement. Whether or not the offending statement is removed you hereby waive any rights actions or claims you might otherwise have against Globalista in connection with such statements. You accept that Globalista cannot control such statements and it is not practicable to conduct full, detailed, investigations. For more details on Privacy, please review our Privacy Policy.
14. No Warranty
14.1 The Site including, without limitation, its contents, functionality, performance and features are provided on an “as available basis” at the member’s sole risk and without representations or warranties of any kind and to the full extent permitted by law. Globalista and other parties involved in creating, producing or delivering the Site expressly exclude all warranties, conditions or terms express or implied, statutory or otherwise including without limitation any warranty as to satisfactory quality or any warranty or commitment that access or use will be uninterrupted or error free.
15. Liability Limit
15.1 Nothing in this agreement is intended to limit or exclude any liability on the part of Globalista where and to the extent that applicable law prohibits such exclusion or limitation.
15.2 Subject to the above statement and any clauses relating to limitation of liability elsewhere in these terms and conditions, in no event shall Globalista or its suppliers be liable for any: lost profits; lost sales; lost business; lost opportunity; lost information; lost anticipated savings; or special, indirect or consequential damages (however arising, including but not limited to as a result of negligence) arising out of or in connection with this agreement including the Site or Services.
15.3 Accordingly, subject to clause 15.1, you agree not to bring a claim of any nature against Globalista in relation the use of or access to the Site and use or access to the Services, except where such a claim cannot be excluded by law. You acknowledge and agree that Globalista will have the right (subject to the discretion of the Court) to a stay of proceeding if you bring any claim against Globalista in breach of the foregoing.
15.4 Globalista shall not be liable or responsible in any way for any damage caused by any misuse of the Site by you or any third party, or caused by any Service.
15.5 Globalista shall be free to modify, temporarily suspend or cancel the Services and to reasonably amend these Terms and Conditions at any time in writing which amendments will be deemed to be agreed by you upon using the Site and Services. Subject to clause 15.1 above, Globalista shall not be liable for any damage or expenses incurred by you or any other person as a result of such modification, suspension or cancellation of any game or reasonable amendment to these Terms and Conditions.
15.6 You acknowledge that nformation, software and other material accessible over the Internet via the Site may contain viruses, worms, Trojan horses, cancelbots, or other harmful and destructive components. Globalista shall not be liable for any direct, indirect, incidental or other loss or damages which result or may result from your access to or use of the Internet, Site or Services.
15.7 Globalista shall not be liable for orders for purchase of or Memberships to Services which are made via the Site but are not received by Globalista for any reason, including but not limited to errors, disruption or downtime of Site which may, owing to corruption of data, lead to such orders/Memberships being lost or which may lead to orders of/Memberships to Services being submitted incomplete or with errors in which case such orders of/Memberships to Services may need to be re-submitted.
16. Indemnity
16.1 You agree to indemnify, defend and hold harmless Globalista and its subsidiaries, affiliates, officers, directors, agents, and employees, from and against any claim, demand, liability, cost, damage or loss it may incur, including legal fees, made by any third party due to or arising out of your breach of this Agreement or the documents it incorporates by reference, or your violation of any law or the rights of a third party.
17. Legal Compliance
17.1 You shall comply with all applicable laws, statutes, ordinances and regulations regarding your use of our service.
18. No Agency
18.1 You agree that you and Globalista are independent contractors, and no agency, partnership, joint venture, employee-employer or franchisor-franchisee relationship is intended or created by this Agreement.
19. Notices
19.1 All notices required to be served on Globalista shall be sent to the contact address stated in clause 1 or to the e-mail address of Globalista as set out in clause 1 or as otherwise notified on the Site from time to time for such purpose.
20. Intellectual Property
>20.1 You acknowledge that the ownership in any intellectual property rights (including, for the avoidance of doubt, patents, copyright, rights in databases, trade marks and trade names whether registered or unregistered and subsisting anywhere in the World) in the Site belongs to Globalista or its third party licensors. Accordingly, any part of this Site (or its source HTML or any other code) may not be used, transferred, copied or reproduced in whole or in part in any manner other than for the purposes of utilising this Site and the Services, meaning that you may only display it on your computer screen and print it out on your printer for the sole purpose of viewing its content in connection with the Services.
20.2 Subject to the terms and conditions herein, copyright and all other intellectual property rights subsisting in each and every piece of information provided on the Site is owned by Globalista or the third party providers of such information. You may use information retrieved from the Site only for the purposes of the Services.
20.3 Globalista reserves the right in accordance with the licence granted under clause 9.3 to license and republish the material contributed by you.
20.4 No person other than the rightful owner or licensee of any copyright and other intellectual property rights may:
Distribute, modify, transmit, re-use, re-post, or use any or all of the information on this Site for any purpose other than as set out above nor for public or commercial purposes without Globalista’s or the relevant licensee’s prior written permission;
Provide hypertext links, URL Links, graphic links, hyperlinks or other direct connection for profit or gain to the Globalista Services without Globalista’s or the relevant licensee’s prior written permission;
Display, publish, copy, print, post or otherwise use the Globalista Services and the information contained therein for the benefit of any other website without Globalista’s or the relevant licensee’s prior written permission;
process or otherwise use the information contained on or within the Globalista Services for any illegal or immoral purpose nor use or process the same unfairly.
20.5 You agree and accept that Globalista may publish or otherwise distribute Your Information and you therefore grant to Globalista an irrevocable, perpetual, non-exclusive right and licence to publish Your Information and all content contained therein on or within the Site, on any other media whatsoever and in its own advertising and promotion.
20.6 You therefore hereby undertake to Globalista to indemnify and hold harmless Globalista in full and defend at its own expense Globalista against all claims, liabilities, costs and losses whatsoever and howsoever incurred by Globalista its servants or nominees arising out of any claim made against it in any jurisdiction in the world for infringement of any intellectual property rights of any third party caused by your use of the Site and your Information.
20.7 Globalista, Globalista.com, the Globalista.com logo and the Globalista logo are trade names or trade marks of Globalista, the use of which is expressly forbidden by any other persons without the express permission of Globalista.
20.8 Globalista makes no warranty or representation in respect of any other trade mark or trading name, symbol or device, all of which are hereby acknowledged. If you have any questions in relation to the use of any marks contained within the Globalista Services please contact Globalista at the address below.
21. Intellectual Property Infringement
21.1 Contributors might share messages and information that they have electronically copied from other sources. As there are many thousands of possible sources spread out across the Internet, ranging from newspapers to scientific journals to bulletin boards, it is impossible for Globalista to know if a posting or other content contribution infringes a third party’s intellectual property right and to what degree.
21.2 If you believe that your intellectual property right has been infringed, it is your obligation to notify Globalista immediately. Globalista accepts no liability for copyright or trade mark infringement or any other infringement of a third party’s intellectual property rights by any of its members though Globalista will endeavour to protect any rights owner through reasonably appropriate action should any infringement come to light.
22. General
22.1 This Agreement shall be governed in all respects by the laws of England and Wales as if the Agreement was a contract wholly entered into and wholly performed within England. The parties hereby submit to the exclusive jurisdiction of the English courts.
22.2 If any provision of this Agreement is held to be invalid or unenforceable, such provision shall be struck out of these Terms and Conditions and the remaining provisions shall remain in force. Headings are for reference purposes only and in no way define, limit, construe or describe the scope or extent of such section. Globalista’s failure to act with respect to a breach by you or others does not waive our right to act with respect to subsequent or similar breaches.

22.3 The laws of your country may be different from those of England and Wales in numerous respects. There is no practical way for Globalista to monitor the laws of every country in detail. Please do not assume that you are allowed to do what other members do. Globalista.com does not approve or validate transactions, advice or communications, and you accept sole responsibility for the legality of your actions under laws applying to you.
22.4 Globalista does not accept any obligation to protect you from any unsafe merchandise, products or services that may be offered on the Site. Please do not assume that such items offered will be harmless to people or property.
22.5 These rules are in addition to all others contained in the agreement. You are responsible for checking that your activities are all lawful according to the local laws in your country. If you and any other party are both based in the European Union and enter into a transaction agreement of any kind through the site then the seller’s local law will govern further dealings as to shipment, payment etc. – unless you both explicitly agree otherwise.
22.6 Note however, that your country (and/or that of any member you deal with) may have some laws, which apply regardless of what you agree with us (now) or with that member (later).